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TUCSON, Ariz. — Besides the psychoactive properties of eggplant parm and mid-century nostalgia, there isn’t much about East Coast Super Subs that you would describe as medicinal.

It’s a Wednesday during the late afternoon lull and Keith McNesby, who owns the place, is shuttling back and forth between the deep fryer and the griddle, sweat coating his forehead, grease lodged in the grooves around his fingernails. At this hour, most orders are coming in by phone or online, and he’s making red sauce, he’s assembling subs to go, he’s yelling for two more crates of wings. The only eat-in customer is a heavy-equipment mechanic whose knuckles are covered in blue tattoos.

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  • By the FDA’s own admission:

    “ADRs are one of the leading causes of morbidity and mortality in health care. The Institute of Medicine reported in January of 2000 that from 44,000 to 98,000 deaths occur annually from medical errors.1 Of this total, an estimated 7,000 deaths occur due to ADRs. To put this in perspective, consider that 6,000 Americans die each year from workplace injuries.

    However, other studies conducted on hospitalized patient populations have placed much higher estimates on the overall incidence of serious ADRs. These studies estimate that 6.7% of hospitalized patients have a serious adverse drug reaction with a fatality rate of 0.32%.2 If these estimates are correct, then there are more than 2,216,000 serious ADRs in hospitalized patients, causing over 106,000 deaths annually. If true, then ADRs are the 4th leading cause of death—ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents, and automobile deaths.

    These statistics do not include the number of ADRs that occur in ambulatory settings. Also, it is estimated that over 350,000 ADRs occur in U.S. nursing homes each year.3 The exact number of ADRs is not certain and is limited by methodological considerations. However, whatever the true number is, ADRs represent a significant public health problem that is, for the most part, preventable.”

    Source: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/developmentapprovalprocess/developmentresources/druginteractionslabeling/ucm110632.htm#ADRs:%20Prevalence%20and%20Incidence

    And yet here you are worrying about Kratom and feeding into the moral panic surrounding Kratom when what you should be doing is talking about how untreated chronic pain costs billions in lost productivity.

    • I was on Suboxone for 5 years after being an opiate seeker since I was around 16 years old. Opiates had a hold on my life. I would start my day searching for opiates. I would revolve vacations, work, time with my family and anything else you can think of around opiates. Suboxone helped me get away from drug seeking but the suboxone left me in a brain fog for years. My attitude on Suboxone had me very aggressive and wanting to fight. I never dreamed anymore while sleeping when I was on suboxone and it really bothered me being so dependent on that drug. I tried quitting suboxone probably 10 times with the withdrawl symptoms being extreme to where I couldn’t even get out of bed or eat. I had tried and tried so many times to quit and had no luck. A friend of mine brought me some Kratom and I was able to go from 16 mg of Suboxone per day (2 films, one of the larger doses) to clean off of pharmaceuticals overnight. I haven’t touched a pain pill or a suboxone since that day. It has been 7 months now and I do not have cravings for the pharmaceuticals. I have started dreaming again, my attitude is a thousand times more level, my anxiety is minimal and I am able to be the man that my wife and kids deserve.
      If you are on pharmaceuticals, get off. Get Kratom. Get Kratom now. You do not have to live your life revolving around the amount of pain pills or pharmaceuticals you have. You no longer have to make sure you are close to an illegal opiate dealer in case you run out. You can have your life and most importantly your mind back. I feel young again. The fog has been lifted. If this message helps one person get off of opiates than my mission is accomplished. Don’t be prisoner to the pills or the pharmaceutical rehabilitation options any longer.

  • I discovered kratom from my husband who listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. I’ve had horrible painful arhtritis in my knees for a few years. All otc pain meds have quit working. Kratom helps me get through my day. I don’t get “high.” I get pain relief.

  • The Maeng Da kratom is a miracle for me when I’m withdrawing from Adderall. I admit, I go through my prescription a few days too early, and my tolerance is astronomical. I also take a 4-5 day “vacation” from my meds every 2 months or so (I’m also on klonopin) and the kratom erases all withdrawal from the benzos as well as the amphetamines. The DEA is a bunch of morons likely on the payroll of big pharma, in addition to our tax dollars.

  • There is an even better and more amazing cure for opiate addiction than kratom. It works in one day and you suffer no withdraw symptoms at all. It is called ibogaine. It is a psychedelic root from Africa. It is illegal in the us but you can go to costa rica or mexico to go to a clinic. Beyond fixing your addiction and causing no withdraws it makes you deal with the root trauma that may have caused the addiction such as a women being raped or ptsd. I beg anyone who has an addiction problem to look into this. It has truly saved my life.

  • I’ve been taking kratom for almost 2 years. I was a heavy opioid user and eventually started taking heroin. The first time I wanted to come off drugs. I went to a methadone clinic for about 3 years,then my insurance was turned off and I wasn’t able to pay. I had to come off methadone cold turkey. I nearly died. Then i relapsed and after about 3 weeks of going through withdrawals I tried meat on. It saved my life. On top of it helping me w my withdrawals it subsided my anxiety and depression and helps me tremendously with any pain I have. Kratom has been a true lifesaver for me. Pharmaceutical companies want nothing to do with it. Instead they want ppl to pay a crap load of money for methadone or suboxene. If these clinics actually tried Meat On on their patients the pharmaceutical companies would lose billions. So they are gonna keep ppl more addicted to the heavier stuff so they can keep the money flowing in. Kratom is as addictive as coffee but not like heroin. When i don’t have it I will have minor cold like symptoms. I love that this man has a vending machine!! I bet when he put it in the restaurant he didn’t realize he`d be helping so many people! Kratom is great and no Matter what ill always give it a great review regardless of the negativity!!

  • So the doctor didn’t test the kratum, but had no problem hinting that it was the cause of liver failure, while at the same promoting pharmaceuticals and failing to mention all the horrible side effects that they have. I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you!

    • I agree why didn’t the doctor get a sample and test it that doesn’t make any sense to me and we don’t know anything about the health history of the man who had liver issues so how can you blame his liver issues on a substance that you have it tested

  • I was addicted to opiates for years and even did a stint in rehab. My husband found out about kratom from a colleague and brought some home, at first I wasn’t sure how to feel about it but we ordered some of our own and after taking it for about a week, I stopped craving the drugs and it helped tremendously with my depression and anxiety. I have been taking it ever since and have not had a single negative experience. It saved my life and allowed me to be the mom I wanted to be. As far as what the doctor in the article said…..I truly feel that they r incredibly uneducated and Will always try to pedal pharmaceuticals first….and we all know how bad the side affects of those r. I think my liver will be just fine, and if people had to call poison control, it’s because they took to much and made themselves sick, which as far as I know, vomiting an constipation r the worst of the side effects. If u take it responsibly, it really is amazing. Keep kratom legal.

  • This article reached down in the pit off my heart and made me feel all warm inside. The writer is very informative and also descriptive. You really painted a picture of hope in my mind. Thanks and keep up this great work your doing! Ps. Keep Kratom Legal, for the people!! There just people needing hope and help, just the same as you and I! God Bless all!

  • Nice article. Kratom most certainly saved my life. Heroin killed me twice before I discovered kratom. I also lost a really good friend that I wish would’ve still been alive to discover it with me. Think of him all the time.

  • For those who don’t understand Kratom and don’t need it, it is certainly not worth knowing about, no need to worry. for those who have opiate dependency, it is the single most useful item in the world to them, and must be kept legal, and affordable. Furthermore rehabs should use it in place of expensive vivitrol, and addictive suboxone

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