President Trump’s interview this week with the New York Times made headlines for his revelation that he would never have chosen Jeff Sessions as attorney general if he had known Sessions would recuse himself from the Russia investigation. Here at STAT, however, we combed through the transcript of the Oval Office interview for something else: examples of the emotional subtexts that psychiatrists and psychologists told us offer a window into the president’s mind.

Overall, Trump was more articulate than he has been in some recent appearances, an important reminder than his tortured syntax might reflect not mental decline but emotional stress: He seemed comfortable with the reporters. Nevertheless, the workings of Trump’s mind, as inferred by experts who have described their observations to STAT since January, shone through. “Most of the now-familiar Trumpian patterns are here,” said psychologist John Montgomery of New York University. Among them:

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This was a quick pivot from a brief answer to a question about working with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Trump instead used the question to extol his own knowledge. It’s an example of what psychologists call “compulsive more-than behavior”: a deep need to never feel even slightly less than others in terms of knowledge, intelligence, power, or popularity. That need often arises when someone finds the idea that he could fall short of anyone on virtually any measure a profound threat to his sense of self. Montgomery and other experts all cautioned that they have never spoken to Trump, but are drawing inferences from his past behavior and public statements.


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This account of Trump’s speech in Poland on July 6 came in response to a question about his trip to Paris a week later. The “greatest speech ever” claim fits with psychologists’ view that Trump displays signs of a narcissistic personality. (Although some psychiatrists assert that he has narcissistic personality disorder, Trump shows no signs of the “distress” or “impairment” that such a diagnosis requires.) A key facet of that personality type is grandiosity, an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance, specialness, and success. Later in the interview, Trump said he had “done more than” any other president in his first five months in terms of legislation and other accomplishments. “It does seem to be very difficult for Trump to think about foreign and domestic policy issues outside his prism of ‘more than,'” a need to portray himself as superior on virtually all measures, Montgomery said. “It’s all about winning, dominance, being ‘more than’ other people,” which may be a way of compensating “for inner feelings of ‘less than.'”

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Perceiving unfairness is a common trait of people who see enemies everywhere. Here, and also when he announced last month that the U.S. would pull out of the climate accord, Trump insisted that he had been saddled with a bad deal. Allowing oneself to be taken advantage of is a sign of weakness, something people who need constant reminders of their superiority cannot bear. Solution? “Get out.” The allusion to his core supporters “loving” what he did suggests the need for adulation that characterizes people with narcissistic personalities.

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Macron was so critical of Trump’s rejecting the Paris climate treaty that he publicly invited U.S. scientists to move to France. People with an inflated sense of self-worth are often blind to the negative views that others hold about them.

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See above. It’s not clear from the transcript, or even the tape of the interview, whether Trump is making a joke at his own expense. Macron told reporters in May that his handshake with Trump at their meeting that month was symbolic, showing that France would not bow to the U.S.

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Psychologists believe that people who are deeply threatened by feeling “less than” protect themselves by asserting to others (and themselves) that they are in fact “greater than,” sometimes to the point of ignoring reality. According to a recent poll, 82 percent of French voters view Trump unfavorably, somewhat short of “they love you.”

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From the late 1980s to 2017, Trump’s sentences have become shorter and syntactically simpler. He uses more words of fewer syllables, and the percentage of unique words out of total words has fallen, indicating that he repeats himself more. These are standard measures neurologists use to assess the complexity of speech, which can fall along with the cognitive decline that typically marks normal aging but also disease-related cognitive impairment.

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The “headaches” are those he got after the outcry over his firing of FBI Director James Comey. That led to the naming of a special prosecutor to investigate the alleged Russia collusion, arguably a serious threat to Trump. Refusing to acknowledge error or even missteps — the firing was, instead, “great” — is common in people who need to be right because admitting a mistake threatens their fragile self-image, which is often at the root of a narcissistic personality.

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  • As I commented to the NYT after I fully read Mike Schmidt’s revealing golf course interview of the Trumpster Dumpster:

    “Any serious analysis of Emperor/president Trump’s quotes in the
    NYT interview are clearly analogous to the following discussion
    between Gen. Turgidson (George Scott) and President Muffley (Peter
    Sellers) in the 1964 Kubrick anti-war film “Dr. Strangelove”:


    General Ripper called Strategic Air Command headquarters shortly
    after he issued the go code. I have a partial transcript of that
    conversation if you’d like me to read it.


    Read it.


    The duty officer asked General Ripper to confirm the fact the he
    had issued the go code and he said, “Yes gentlemen, they are on
    their way in and no one can bring them back. For the sake of our
    country and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in
    after them, otherwise we will be totally destroyed by red
    retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, fourteen
    hundred megatons worth, and you sure as hell won’t stop them now.
    So let’s get going. There’s no other choice. God willing, we will
    prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the
    purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all.” Then
    he hung up. We’re still trying to figure out the meaning of that
    last phrase, sir.


    There’s nothing to figure out General Turgidson. This man is
    obviously a psychotic.

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  • Bipolar disorder could be a component, but the longitudinal analysis of syntactical deterioration mentioned in NYT has a firm basis in theory, based on work first published in 1957 (Noam Chomsky, MIT philosophy) on human brain linguistic ‘syntactical structures’ that distinguish homo sapiens from other primates and mammals generally. Mature humans normally can communicate an infinite variety of concepts (up to the limits of cognition, intelligence and imagination) by concatenating nouns, verbs, adjectives, prepositions, etc., in an intrinsically meaningful way- this is the deep genetic structure of human language, regardless of dialect. If over decades a steep decline in syntactical sophistication is documented, neuronal causes are suspect. All brains likely lose functional capacity in senior years, but very active minds demonstrate a high degree of neuroplasticity- the ability of adjacent neurons to detect a blocked signal pathway and “take over” the agency of sending the blocked or delayed electro-chemical signal to the destination cell. Some biopsied brains of known active thinkers show considerable ameloid plaque formation but no empirical evidence of mental decline prior to death; this is thought to be due to an abundance of neural pathways to keep the cognitive activity intact. In the article’s study , the above mechanisms don’t apply.

  • Thanks Sharon,

    A very Iinteresting and poignant article.

    Although I find President Trumps behaviour far more Machiavellian than Narcistic. The summary of syntactical speech structure was particually interesting.

    Well done from… Melbourne, Australia.

  • This article was very helpful in identifyingprofessional explanations relative to President Trump’s conversation style. To me, his childlike syntax demonstrates how he must have felt as a child, not ‘listened to, validated, and nurtured’ in the way he needed to be to develop healthy self-esteem. I can only wonder when, and if, President Trump’s house of cards will tumble, thus giving America the chance it needs to get back on track again in all the ways that matter for the betterment of the people who call this wonderful country home.
    Thank you.

  • Remember President Reagan’s showdown meeting with his cabinet when he was showing episodes of Alzheimer’s confusion and forgetfulness. They were going to force him to step down from office, but he became articulate and convincing during the meeting that his mental function was good. Later he was totally without cognitive sufficiency. Early onset comes in waves; what I see here is a train-wreck about to happen. Hope I’m wrong, but doubt it.

  • What a wonderful article. It provides a lot of clarity and insight into the President and confirms what I have suspected.

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